>> gwen and i have been asked about that. we like to think we were chosen because we have lots of experience between us, a couple of hundred years in -- >> wait a second. >> well, for me. for me. >> yeah, right. >> she's only been at this for a few years. because we have been doing this for a long time, we covered politics, we love covering politics, we were both very excited to be going to the convention, and it is a fascinating campaign. even back at the point when one candidate was ahead of the other one, or somebody was behind, and enough it's close. it's been fascinating the whole way. >> the news covers the conventions in a more exhaustive way than we do. we're between c-span, which does a fixed camera on the podium, and the cable networks which have people talking. we have people talking but also showing what is happening on the podium, and as a result we make more of an investment in it, and judy and i have -- judy was at the news hour, left, came back weed been there a while and it was a natural evolution for us to d